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	<title>Comments on: Power4 Home Scam &#8211; Is The E-Book Power 4 Home A Fraud?</title>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://diysolarhomes.com/blog/power-4-home/power4-home-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-21294</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the system he describes is by no means simple for the &quot;average guy&quot; to build for his home.....or adequate to power the average home and really save money without a more elaborate system.  I love good ideas, but I detest simplistic misleading information.  Sorry, but think it misleads the average guy who is even...&quot;pretty handy!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the system he describes is by no means simple for the &#8220;average guy&#8221; to build for his home&#8230;..or adequate to power the average home and really save money without a more elaborate system.  I love good ideas, but I detest simplistic misleading information.  Sorry, but think it misleads the average guy who is even&#8230;&#8221;pretty handy!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: W. Alexander McAuley</title>
		<link>http://diysolarhomes.com/blog/power-4-home/power4-home-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-20037</link>
		<dc:creator>W. Alexander McAuley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The system was designed to be modeler, so you can get off the grid $97 at a time instead of having to fork over all the cash at once.

I&#039;ve done my shopping, and found 6x6&quot; cells for $2 a peace, LiFePo4 cells for $20, Scooter motors for $76, and more.  You just have to look, and you&#039;ll find bargains on the internet.  Even 1000 w invertors for $75.  You can&#039;t do this stuff all at once.  You do it 1000 watts at a time, and make sure to stay in your buget.  I got my first panel worth of solar sells for $44 from www.solarwindusa.com,  try going to http://www.scootercatalog.com/xtreme-x400-electric-motor.html for the scooter motors for the wind generators,  and http://stores.headway-headquarters.com/-strse-2/lifepo4-Headway-batteries,-EV,/Detail.bok for your batteries.  The expencive thing about the head way cells is they need a bms which monitors your pack to make sure you don&#039;t over discharge your cell.  A 24 v 8 cell unit costs $88.99.  So yes your battery pack will be pretty price if you want to go new but the magic  is you can put it together a cell at a time if you want to.  Meantime you can run your panels, and turbines, which are much cheaper than commercial modules, through what ever you&#039;ve got.

The batteries are power storage, so as you build up your storage you can all ready by benefiting from you system wired directly to the invertor just don&#039;t run too many generators of you&#039;ll fry some of your appliances, there is no buffer without a battery pack.

If you&#039;re looking at heating your house, and water with these generator or cooking with them don&#039;t count on it.  The author of power 4 home recommends going tank less if your going the heat water,  and as far as cooking, and heating are concerned there are really cheap hydroxy generator build out there like the water4gas system that can be altered to turn 3Amps dump charge into enough fuel to run a furnace, and stove off.  the appliances have to be altered, the burner ports have to be replaced with perforated cast iron pipe wrapped in steal wool, but the alteration is pennies, and you can do it all little by little .

Only a fool would call this system a scam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The system was designed to be modeler, so you can get off the grid $97 at a time instead of having to fork over all the cash at once.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done my shopping, and found 6&#215;6&#8243; cells for $2 a peace, LiFePo4 cells for $20, Scooter motors for $76, and more.  You just have to look, and you&#8217;ll find bargains on the internet.  Even 1000 w invertors for $75.  You can&#8217;t do this stuff all at once.  You do it 1000 watts at a time, and make sure to stay in your buget.  I got my first panel worth of solar sells for $44 from <a href="http://www.solarwindusa.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.solarwindusa.com</a>,  try going to <a href="http://www.scootercatalog.com/xtreme-x400-electric-motor.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.scootercatalog.com/xtreme-x400-electric-motor.html</a> for the scooter motors for the wind generators,  and <a href="http://stores.headway-headquarters.com/-strse-2/lifepo4-Headway-batteries,-EV,/Detail.bok" rel="nofollow">http://stores.headway-headquarters.com/-strse-2/lifepo4-Headway-batteries,-EV,/Detail.bok</a> for your batteries.  The expencive thing about the head way cells is they need a bms which monitors your pack to make sure you don&#8217;t over discharge your cell.  A 24 v 8 cell unit costs $88.99.  So yes your battery pack will be pretty price if you want to go new but the magic  is you can put it together a cell at a time if you want to.  Meantime you can run your panels, and turbines, which are much cheaper than commercial modules, through what ever you&#8217;ve got.</p>
<p>The batteries are power storage, so as you build up your storage you can all ready by benefiting from you system wired directly to the invertor just don&#8217;t run too many generators of you&#8217;ll fry some of your appliances, there is no buffer without a battery pack.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re looking at heating your house, and water with these generator or cooking with them don&#8217;t count on it.  The author of power 4 home recommends going tank less if your going the heat water,  and as far as cooking, and heating are concerned there are really cheap hydroxy generator build out there like the water4gas system that can be altered to turn 3Amps dump charge into enough fuel to run a furnace, and stove off.  the appliances have to be altered, the burner ports have to be replaced with perforated cast iron pipe wrapped in steal wool, but the alteration is pennies, and you can do it all little by little .</p>
<p>Only a fool would call this system a scam.</p>
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		<title>By: rw01</title>
		<link>http://diysolarhomes.com/blog/power-4-home/power4-home-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-18105</link>
		<dc:creator>rw01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People do have houses with very small electric bills, or even generate enough power that they get paid for excess power sent to the utility...but these are massive systems.  The video on the Power4Homesite suggests it can be done cheaply and easily, which is pretty misleading.  I doubt the voice on the video of the website is even that of the owner. :o
 
I haven&#039;t bought the offer, and won&#039;t.  I justed it for the sake of seeing how scammy it is.  Are people with a 3rd grade education expected to be able to handle the soldering of the solar cells on their own, or is there some other way to connect them up with much less hassle?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People do have houses with very small electric bills, or even generate enough power that they get paid for excess power sent to the utility&#8230;but these are massive systems.  The video on the Power4Homesite suggests it can be done cheaply and easily, which is pretty misleading.  I doubt the voice on the video of the website is even that of the owner. :o</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t bought the offer, and won&#8217;t.  I justed it for the sake of seeing how scammy it is.  Are people with a 3rd grade education expected to be able to handle the soldering of the solar cells on their own, or is there some other way to connect them up with much less hassle?</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://diysolarhomes.com/blog/power-4-home/power4-home-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-17018</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 14:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone tried to get a permit with home made panels, and home made structual engineering???? Engineering stamps, electrical, structural, civic???? Is it Legal, if you don&#039;t get a permit?? Will you need to get it inspected before the Power Company will enter a Net Metering Agreement??? I think yes!, in florida, I believe that you may need need a couple Certifications from the Florida Solar Energy Center to get a rebate, does anyone know what this costs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone tried to get a permit with home made panels, and home made structual engineering???? Engineering stamps, electrical, structural, civic???? Is it Legal, if you don&#8217;t get a permit?? Will you need to get it inspected before the Power Company will enter a Net Metering Agreement??? I think yes!, in florida, I believe that you may need need a couple Certifications from the Florida Solar Energy Center to get a rebate, does anyone know what this costs?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Gilbert</title>
		<link>http://diysolarhomes.com/blog/power-4-home/power4-home-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-16394</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend sent me a link to the websites video. I patiently endured several minutes of a pitch telling me how great this product is, and how we should not stand being ripped off by the power companies, etc etc, before he even mentioned the word &#039;solar&#039;. He starts right off the bat talking about how his system will not only power your house, but also put energy back into the power system grid, leading you to believe you should be expecting regular checks from the power company.

I know that the technology to do this exists, but when he started talking about only spending $197 at the hardware store is about the time I had had enough, as anyone who has any knowledge of what is really required knows that that is a ridiculous claim, you cannot equip your home with a solar power system that will power your house and put electricity back into the system for $200. 

Let&#039;s forget about the cost of the actual solar cells for a minute, which generate the 12 volts DC. That has to be converted to 120 volts a/c with an inverter. I have a 400 watt inverter in my van I use every day to power a small fan and a boombox, with luck, I could probably power a small LCD television with it too, 400 watts does not go a long way, and these are going on fleabay for around $40 to $50 bucks. You would probably want at least 4,000 watts to do anything usable, so do the math, and you&#039;re already at $400.00 for an inverter(s) before you&#039;ve even looked at a solar panel. As for storage batteries, yes, that&#039;s fairly innovative to have you going around asking golf courses for their used storage batteries, I&#039;ve actually gone into auto parts stores with dead batteries and a volt meter in hand and with a little wheeling and dealing exchanged my dead batteries for &#039;cores&#039; that still had about 12 volts on them. So there are creative ways to deal with that if you&#039;re willing to roll up your sleeves.

Now, as for the grid ties, which is what you need to put your electricity you&#039;ve generated back into the system, plan on about $100 per 1000 watts. Do the math on what it would take for a very minimal 4000 watt system, remember we haven&#039;t even bought single solar panel yet. Also, it&#039;s entirely possible you may need to pull a city permit, which means the work would have to be done by a licensed electrician, followed by an inspection by a city inspector, although I have seen grid ties that can plug into a single GFCI outlet on a 20 amp circuit. If you don&#039;t understand, and have not worked with electricity, it&#039;s not something you should do yourself. 

In short, it&#039;s not hard to see you&#039;re going to get very far with $200 in the way of powering your home with solar energy. The number I picked, 4000 watts was just kind of arbitrary, multiplying 400 watts by 10, and with 4000 watts your not going to be powering whole house air conditioners, that&#039;s for sure, maybe with 8,000 watts you could run a small room air conditioner or two. 

Again, the above peripheral equipment doesn&#039;t even include one single solar panel.

It&#039;s not my intention to denegrade his product or website, I think we live in an exciting time where we should all using solar, wind, and other alternative sources of power. The more people do this, and the more mainstream it becomes, the sooner it will be more cost effective, and in this day and age of the internet there is a lot of free, and good information to anyone willing to take the time and effort to research it. There is nothing wrong with spending your money on an informational DVD either, if that is what you choose to do. Caveat Emptor!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend sent me a link to the websites video. I patiently endured several minutes of a pitch telling me how great this product is, and how we should not stand being ripped off by the power companies, etc etc, before he even mentioned the word &#8216;solar&#8217;. He starts right off the bat talking about how his system will not only power your house, but also put energy back into the power system grid, leading you to believe you should be expecting regular checks from the power company.</p>
<p>I know that the technology to do this exists, but when he started talking about only spending $197 at the hardware store is about the time I had had enough, as anyone who has any knowledge of what is really required knows that that is a ridiculous claim, you cannot equip your home with a solar power system that will power your house and put electricity back into the system for $200. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s forget about the cost of the actual solar cells for a minute, which generate the 12 volts DC. That has to be converted to 120 volts a/c with an inverter. I have a 400 watt inverter in my van I use every day to power a small fan and a boombox, with luck, I could probably power a small LCD television with it too, 400 watts does not go a long way, and these are going on fleabay for around $40 to $50 bucks. You would probably want at least 4,000 watts to do anything usable, so do the math, and you&#8217;re already at $400.00 for an inverter(s) before you&#8217;ve even looked at a solar panel. As for storage batteries, yes, that&#8217;s fairly innovative to have you going around asking golf courses for their used storage batteries, I&#8217;ve actually gone into auto parts stores with dead batteries and a volt meter in hand and with a little wheeling and dealing exchanged my dead batteries for &#8216;cores&#8217; that still had about 12 volts on them. So there are creative ways to deal with that if you&#8217;re willing to roll up your sleeves.</p>
<p>Now, as for the grid ties, which is what you need to put your electricity you&#8217;ve generated back into the system, plan on about $100 per 1000 watts. Do the math on what it would take for a very minimal 4000 watt system, remember we haven&#8217;t even bought single solar panel yet. Also, it&#8217;s entirely possible you may need to pull a city permit, which means the work would have to be done by a licensed electrician, followed by an inspection by a city inspector, although I have seen grid ties that can plug into a single GFCI outlet on a 20 amp circuit. If you don&#8217;t understand, and have not worked with electricity, it&#8217;s not something you should do yourself. </p>
<p>In short, it&#8217;s not hard to see you&#8217;re going to get very far with $200 in the way of powering your home with solar energy. The number I picked, 4000 watts was just kind of arbitrary, multiplying 400 watts by 10, and with 4000 watts your not going to be powering whole house air conditioners, that&#8217;s for sure, maybe with 8,000 watts you could run a small room air conditioner or two. </p>
<p>Again, the above peripheral equipment doesn&#8217;t even include one single solar panel.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not my intention to denegrade his product or website, I think we live in an exciting time where we should all using solar, wind, and other alternative sources of power. The more people do this, and the more mainstream it becomes, the sooner it will be more cost effective, and in this day and age of the internet there is a lot of free, and good information to anyone willing to take the time and effort to research it. There is nothing wrong with spending your money on an informational DVD either, if that is what you choose to do. Caveat Emptor!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeanette Friudenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeanette Friudenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 15:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve learned to be cautious with ads overselling their product with a lot of set up sob stories (&quot;daddy, can you make it warmer?&quot;)  Give me a break.  Always look for sites like these which will give you a better picture of the actual product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve learned to be cautious with ads overselling their product with a lot of set up sob stories (&#8220;daddy, can you make it warmer?&#8221;)  Give me a break.  Always look for sites like these which will give you a better picture of the actual product.</p>
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		<title>By: DOUGLAS BOHN</title>
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		<dc:creator>DOUGLAS BOHN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 01:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well made sales video. However I did not get what was stated. I expected from the video to get a dvd, hard copy books, free expedited shipping and exclusive platinum level support. All I received was the dvd. No phone number to call for support, no email support. I went to clickbank which is the site that handles the business end and supposed support. My first request for support was made on 8/22/10 and I have made two additional requests since then. NO ANSWER. Today is 8/28/10 and I have still received no answer therefore I am returning the dvd as per instructions from clickbank. You can bet I will also contest this charge with my credit company as the seller has made no effort whatsoever to fulfill his verbal contract on the sales video. They have not offered any kind of communication with me whatsoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well made sales video. However I did not get what was stated. I expected from the video to get a dvd, hard copy books, free expedited shipping and exclusive platinum level support. All I received was the dvd. No phone number to call for support, no email support. I went to clickbank which is the site that handles the business end and supposed support. My first request for support was made on 8/22/10 and I have made two additional requests since then. NO ANSWER. Today is 8/28/10 and I have still received no answer therefore I am returning the dvd as per instructions from clickbank. You can bet I will also contest this charge with my credit company as the seller has made no effort whatsoever to fulfill his verbal contract on the sales video. They have not offered any kind of communication with me whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://diysolarhomes.com/blog/power-4-home/power4-home-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-14839</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 18:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several things didn&#039;t add up after watching the 7 min video that was more like 20 min.+. (that&#039;s the first clue).  Secondly, John Russel claims to live in Duluth, MN and at one point in the video, shows a copy of his supposedly electric bill with Reliant Energy as the electric utility.  First, Reliant does not do business in Minnesota.  Their corporate office is in Houston and supplies electricity in Texas and New Jersey.  However, Reliant does provide an avenue to sell back power to the grid.  Maybe that&#039;s why they used a Reliant bill in case anyone checked up on this thru Reliant&#039;s website.  Few utilities are setup to pay you for excess electricity.  Secondly, at one point in the video, John claims to give an extra incentive to spend $50 on his plethora of crap and that is waiving the usual $14.88 (I&#039;m guessing the cost, but it was $14 something) shipping and handling.  However, when I decided to order by clicking on the Add to Cart button, all options added $7.99 to the order for shipping and handling.  Who is being scammed now?  Like others have said, he leads you to believe that parts costing $97 for one little solar panel can produce enough KWh to power a whole house.  I call foul!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several things didn&#8217;t add up after watching the 7 min video that was more like 20 min.+. (that&#8217;s the first clue).  Secondly, John Russel claims to live in Duluth, MN and at one point in the video, shows a copy of his supposedly electric bill with Reliant Energy as the electric utility.  First, Reliant does not do business in Minnesota.  Their corporate office is in Houston and supplies electricity in Texas and New Jersey.  However, Reliant does provide an avenue to sell back power to the grid.  Maybe that&#8217;s why they used a Reliant bill in case anyone checked up on this thru Reliant&#8217;s website.  Few utilities are setup to pay you for excess electricity.  Secondly, at one point in the video, John claims to give an extra incentive to spend $50 on his plethora of crap and that is waiving the usual $14.88 (I&#8217;m guessing the cost, but it was $14 something) shipping and handling.  However, when I decided to order by clicking on the Add to Cart button, all options added $7.99 to the order for shipping and handling.  Who is being scammed now?  Like others have said, he leads you to believe that parts costing $97 for one little solar panel can produce enough KWh to power a whole house.  I call foul!</p>
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		<title>By: Jaco Louw</title>
		<link>http://diysolarhomes.com/blog/power-4-home/power4-home-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-14431</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaco Louw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not an expert but I tend to agree with Tim &quot;One solar panel a system does not make&quot;.  Seen a system in operation on an uncle&#039;s farm in Namibia. There were at least 8 panels, can&#039;t remember the output / panel but it was fairly substantial and all he could run from it was a fridge, a freezer (only during the day),  a television and +/- 9 low wattage bulbs.  No stove, or heater or a geyser. I suppose it is possible to built a solar panel at home but there are other components that you will need like a converter and battery pack for starters. The solar panels collects and supply 12 volt or 24 volt to   charge the batteries (not  sure about the volts) and the inverter changed the 12 volt to the standard 220 volt for appliances in South Africa and Namibia.  These items are very expensive in South Africa and Namibia.  This system that I saw battle to keep just the bare essential utilities going - I cannot see that you will be able to generate excess electricity  to sell with it.  From what I read small windmills is is not the powerhouse that people claim.  

My recommendation: change your geyser to a solar geyser, change your stove and heater/s to gas and run your lights from a small solar system. Run other appliances like fridges, computers and tv&#039;s from the power grid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not an expert but I tend to agree with Tim &#8220;One solar panel a system does not make&#8221;.  Seen a system in operation on an uncle&#8217;s farm in Namibia. There were at least 8 panels, can&#8217;t remember the output / panel but it was fairly substantial and all he could run from it was a fridge, a freezer (only during the day),  a television and +/- 9 low wattage bulbs.  No stove, or heater or a geyser. I suppose it is possible to built a solar panel at home but there are other components that you will need like a converter and battery pack for starters. The solar panels collects and supply 12 volt or 24 volt to   charge the batteries (not  sure about the volts) and the inverter changed the 12 volt to the standard 220 volt for appliances in South Africa and Namibia.  These items are very expensive in South Africa and Namibia.  This system that I saw battle to keep just the bare essential utilities going &#8211; I cannot see that you will be able to generate excess electricity  to sell with it.  From what I read small windmills is is not the powerhouse that people claim.  </p>
<p>My recommendation: change your geyser to a solar geyser, change your stove and heater/s to gas and run your lights from a small solar system. Run other appliances like fridges, computers and tv&#8217;s from the power grid.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Tony.  I can not get to the store page at the web sight Power4home &quot;error 404 and no store page&quot;.  You can do solar energy youself but you need more knowlage then he gives you. Refund please.</description>
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